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Öèòàòà(Ðîìêà @ 23.12.2015, 18:04)  ×åì ñòàðêëèëëåð àáñóðäíåå ýòîé õóéíè: Íó, íàïðèìåð, òåì, ÷òî, êàê âû âûðàçèëèñü, "õóéíÿ" ˜— ýòî ïðîñòî òèïè÷íûé ïðèìåð ìàíèïóëÿöèé ñ ãðàâèòàöèåé, îòìàñøòàáèðîâàííûõ. Ýòî äàæå íå äëÿ ÇÂ, ýòî äëÿ êîñìè÷åñêîé ôàíòàñòèêè â öåëîì åñòåñòâåííî. È êðàòêîå, "ñëîâàíîå" íàóêîîáðàçíîå îïèñàíèå, îïèñûâàþùåå îáùèå ïðèíöèïû ðàáîòû òàêîãî äåâàéñà, ìîæíî äàòü "îäíèì êóñêîì", áåç çàïèíîê, ïóòàíèöû è íàðóøåíèé ôîðìàëüíîé ëîãèêè (âîçìîæíîñòü ñõîäó äàòü òàêîå îïðåäåëåíèå ÿâëÿåòñÿ íåïëîõèì ìåðèëîì àäåêâàòíîñòè íàóêîîáðàçíîé ôàíòàñòè÷åñêîé òåõíîëîãèè — â òîì ñìûñëå, ÷òî åñëè äàæå åãî íå óäà¸òñÿ ñîñòðÿïàòü, òî ñ êîíöåïöèåé ïðèäóìàííîé òåõíîëîãèåè èìåþò ìåñòî ôóíäàìåíòàëüíûå ïðîáëåìû).  äàííîì ñëó÷àå: "óñòðîéñòâî ìàíèïóëÿöèè ãðàâèòàöèåé, èñïîëüçîâàíèå êîòîðîãî âûçûâàåò âîçíèêíîâåíèå ìíîæåñòâåííûõ õàîòè÷åñêèõ àíîìàëèé â ãðàâèòàöèîííîì ïîëå ìàññèâíîãî îáúåêòà". Ìîæíî ëè ïîäîáíûì îáðàçîì îáðàùàòüñÿ ñ ãðàâèòàöèîííûì ïîëåì ïëàíåòû? Ñïîñîáíî ëè ýòî ïðèâåñòè ê ïðåâðàùåíèþ â ôàðø æèçíåííûõ ôîðì íà íåé, ðàñêîëîøìà÷èâàíèåì ïîâåðõíîñòè è íàðóøåíèþ ñòðóêòóðû âíóòðåííèõ ñëî¸â? Äàëåêî íå ôàêò, ìÿãêî ãîâîðÿ. Îäíàêî æå ýòî äîïóùåíèå íàóêîîáðàçíî è âíóòðåííå íåïðîòèâîðå÷èâî, åãî ðàáîòà èíòóèòèâíî-ïîíÿòíà â ðàìêàõ áàçîâûõ äîïóùåíèé âñåëåííîé — à ïîñëåäñòâèÿ ðàáîòû ýòîãî óñòðîéñòâà, çàÿâëåííûå ñâîéñòâà êîòîðîãî îñíîâûâàåòñÿ íà óïîìÿíóòîì äîïóùåíèè, åñòåñòâåííûì îáðàçîì ïðîèñòåêàþò èç çàÿâëåííîãî è, îïÿòü æå, èíòóèòèâíî-ïîíÿòíû.??? Âîîáùå, âîçìîæíîñòü ñõîäó äàòü òàêîå îïðåäåëåíèå ÿâëÿåòñÿ íåïëîõèì ìåðèëîì àäåêâàòíîñòè íàóêîîáðàçíîé ôàíòàñòè÷åñêîé òåõíîëîãèè.  òîì ñìûñëå, ÷òî åñëè äàæå åãî íå óäà¸òñÿ ñîñòðÿïàòü — òî ñ ïðèäóìàííîé òåõíîëîãèåé èìåþò ìåñòî ôóíäàìåíòàëüíûå ïðîáëåìû.  ñëó÷àå ñî "Ñòàðêèëëåðîì" ýòè ïðîáëåìû âñïëûâàþò ñðàçó — ñëèøêîì ìíîãî âñåãî íàâîðîòèëè, ïîçàáèâ íà íåîáõîäèìîñòü ïîääåðæèâàòü âíóòðåííþþ ëîãèêó ïîêàçûâàåìîãî. È îòãîâîðêè â äóõå "Ç íèêîãäà íå áûëè ôàíòàñòèêîé, ýòî ñêàçêà/ôýíòåçè â êîñìîñå" — çäåñü íå ãîäÿòñÿ. Ç ïî ñóòè — ýòî êëàññè÷åñêàÿ "êîñìîîïåðà", ò. å. ÍÔ, "íàó÷íîñòü" ôîðìû è ñîäåðæàíèÿ êîòîðîé î÷åíü ñèëüíî ñìÿã÷¸íà â óãîäó çðåëèùíîñòè è çàõâàòûâàþùèì ïðèêëþ÷åíèÿì. Îäíàêî äëÿ êîñìîîïåðû âñ¸ åù¸ îñòà¸òñÿ âàæíîé íàóêîîáðàçíîñòü äåìîíñòðèðóåìîãî. À äëÿ ëþáîãî ïðîèçâåäåíèÿ — ïîääåðæàíèÿ âíóòðåííåé ëîãèêå. È òóò, çàìåòüòå, íè ñëîâà íåò î âîçìîæíîñòè ðàçðàáîòêè, ïîñòðîéêè çà íåñêîëüêî íåò è ïîääåðæàíèÿ â òàéíå "Ñòàðêèëëåðà" ëîêàëüíîé ôðàêöèåé ìàðãèíàëîâ-ôàíàòèêîâ, ïîêëîíÿþùèõñÿ âíåøíåé àòðèáóòèêå êàíóâøåé â íåáûòèå èìïåðèè — à âåäü ýòî òîæå âîðîõ ïðîáëåì è íåëåïîñòåé. À âåäü åñòü åù¸ âîðîõ ìåëêèõ íåëåïîñòåé íå â îáùèõ ïðèíöèïàõ, à â ÷àñòíîñòÿõ ïîêàçàííîé "ôèçèêè" âóíäåðâàôëè... Äîáàâëåíî ÷åðåç 1 ìèí. Öèòàòà(Mikuru-kun @ 23.12.2015, 18:24) Íó, êàê ìèíèìóì äëÿ ýòîé õóéíè íå ïðåäïîëàãàëîñü ôàëîìåòðèÿ. Ãûãûãû, îáîãíàòü ïî ðàçìåðàì ÇÑ, ãûãûãû, - êàê ýòî âûøëî â TFA. È ýòî òîæå. Âîîáùå, ñ ýòîé õðåíüþ êóäà íå òêíèñü — îäíè ïðîáëåìû, íåëåïîñòè è áåññìûñëåííàÿ "ãèãàíòîìàíèÿ ðåìåéêà".
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