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Совсем скоро мы с вами увидим продолжение, которого мы ждали (да, не отнекивайтесь: если вам не понравилось "Пробуждение", вы всё равно ждали восьмой эпизод!) два года.
Многие оказались разочарованы фильмом Абрамса, почти всем очень понравился спин-офф Эдвардса, а что думает форум о "Последних джедаях" Райана Джонсона? Обсуждаем в этой теме! И да, насчёт спойлеров просьба ровно та же, что и два года назад: Все спойлеры - по крайней мере, первое время - убедительная просьба прятать под соответствующий тэг. Впрочем, тем, кто фильма еще не видел, мы все равно рекомендуем пока что в эту тему не заглядывать. А то вдруг наработаете себе нереалистичные ожидания или, наоборот, настолько разочаруетесь, что откажетесь от просмотра? |
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Цитата(Грант) Странно что им не понравилось ведь там все тоже что в 7 эпизоде от каторга они в восторге были shok.gif Да ты ток почитай, как у них там полыхает: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Цитата This review contains spoilers, click expand to view. Here's what stuck out to me: - The First Order is worse than the routine stormtroopers-can't-shoot gags in the older films, the director is establishing that the First Order is so ridiculously bad at their jobs that it makes the Resistance look terrible for ever having lost any lives to them. - Next, Poe takes out ALL of the cannons on a dreadnought (I think it was called) with a single x-wing and without any help. - During the first half hour or so, there are a *lot* of characters introduced without reason. It feels like everyone's OC (original character) got screentime. - Chewbacca just kind of disappears from the plot randomly. - When Rey reaches the island Luke is living on, there's this sea monster thing you see briefly in the water behind Rey. It wasn't particularly offensive but I remember thinking "was that necessary?" and from then on there was a constant barrage of CGI aliens and creatures that was like the prequels on steroids. - Soon after Luke milks an alien species. The camera zooms in on its nipples. It seems put there entirely to make kids go "eww!" and is roughly on the same level as fart jokes. - Maz shows up and says there's a master code breaker and that they need to recruit him. Finn and, for some reason, Rose go to a gambling planet. The whole place is.. really far from Star Wars aesthetic. It's this kind of super high fashion Lady Gaga music video. - The code breaker is introduced and is a character for like 10 seconds but then doesn't even matter, why is he even there? Why are so many of these characters even there? - Around this point they randomly establish that the Resistance gets its fighters and weapons from a slave labor planet then just kind of ignore it later..? What? - There's a whole blatant allegorical element to the gambling planet and, listen, I hate oligarchies too, but it's really childish. There's pauper children and a whole side plot with these animals which are kind of like race horses and it doesn't really go anywhere. - There's a weird furry hole that is the source of dark energy on the island and Rey falls into it but it's actually not that bad, there's just some water and a trippy mirror that she sees a bunch of copies of herself in, then she's out of the hole later and it never really seems to matter. - Luke is involved in this line of thinking that the Jedi and Sith are basically the same. He does a terrible job at explaining it, basically saying that the Jedi are vain and the Sith are genocidal. Are vanity and genocide really on the same level? - Leia is suddenly a Jedi god. Not a master, a god. She can fly around in space and knock down doors with her damned mind. At the end of Return of the Jedi it was established that like Luke, she was force sensitive. This is fine. Her suddenly expressing more power than Yoda is not. - Snoke's death is weird. He's apparently super powerful and can sense all your thoughts but can't sense Kylo sneaking a lightsaber next to him and igniting it into his gut. - Laura Dern shows up with purple Hunger Games hair and is a REALLY uncomfortable character. The actress has a history of roles in films as realistic modern day people (and she really is a magnificent actress), and she comes across like that here. It feels as awkward as casting Reese Witherspoon or Julia Roberts would have been. - Poe stages a weird coup against Laura Dern and then is pretty much instantly foiled, seriously the plot does a sharp, tight loop here for no reason and everyone forgives him while he's still unconscious. Like, everyone could have died? Why are people acting like it was cute? - Okay, if even BB droids can operate assault vehicles alone and take down a hallway full of guards, why don't they? Why even have troops? - During the escape from the Resistance flagship, they claim that the First Order won't track small vessels. Why? In A New Hope a star destroyer tracks even tiny escape pods, why has technology gotten worse? - They go to Crait (no, not krayt like the dragon) and Rose reveals that she's in love with Finn. We seriously don't even know her and they've had absolutely zero chemistry up until this point and the scene is really uncomfortable. - There's a fight scene with Kylo and Luke. Okay, we established that Leia is a force god, right? Well Luke is now a Super Saiyan ultra mega god who can project himself across the galaxy and physically interact with people and he goes Obi-Wan Kenobi style and he's like "if you kill me I'll just get stronger" but then he's like "Sike that's the wrong number!" and pulls out all the way across the god damned galaxy. - The pauper children were straight out of Oliver Twist and kind of uncomfortable and the film ends with some kid who I can only assume has a terrible cockney accent and is like, a chimney sweep or something, using a broom as a lightsaber. Anyway, at least the prequels are watchable now. Цитата This is NOT Star Wars. Remember when Star Wars was about the ultimate battle between Good and Evil? The mystical elements of the Force, Jedi and Sith? The heroes journey? Well, you can forget about all of that, because this movie trades all those wonderful things for Disney sitcom-tier humour and quips, boring meaningless space battles, no heart and soul, total disrespect of the lore and characters that George Lucas had created, uninteresting villains, plot holes galore, and a chase plot reminiscent of Battlestar Galactica. In short, this movie was a MESS. I can't believe I'm typing this, but it's worse than Force Awakens. At least JJ stayed true to the tone of Star Wars. I don't know what Rian Johnson and Disney were trying to accomplish with this absolute train wreck of a movie. It's time to accept Star Wars died when George Lucas sold the franchise to Disney. Цитата As a lifetime Star Wars Fan, I never felt such depressed after seeing a Star Wars Movie. What has started really promising with TFA has been crushed completely within 152 min. Not just TFA was thrown into the garbage bin, but also the entire Star Wars legacy... What really makes me angry is that despite of the prequels, which weren't surely a highlight, it seems Rian Johnson did this with full intention. When George Lucas did the prequels he didn't knew better, but he tried as best a possible. Sure he failed in the end, but I cannot blame someone that really gave his best. Rian and surely Disney instead pissed on everything that has been created before. Just remember this magic moment at the end of TFA, when Ray meets Luke for the first time. If you have seen TLJ already you know what Mr. Johnson did with this wonderful scene ... Absolutely no respect for the work J.J. did with TFA. Also Rian continues to hype the question about Ray's parents in one scene of TLJ to the max. just to give the most unsatisfying answer later on. I could continue how Rian treated the Character of Luke, but I think it's all been said. For me personally the worst and disrespectful Star Wars ever made and the worst Movie experience so far. A complete letdown ... Please help us Mr. Abrams you are our only hope !!!
-------------------- Мне ты тоже не нравишься!
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